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Jun 26, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: R/
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The most powerful PvE Builds - why don't some professions have any?
For example, here's an arguable list of the imba builds for each profession. Some have none, others almost break the game. Sure, we have Ursan, but I think if we're going to have these kinds of builds, they should at least be profession specific.
Warrior: SY Dragon Slash Ranger: None Monk: None Elementalist: ER Prot Monk Necromancer: Sabway/3 Necroway (only applies in teams) Mesmer: None Assassin: Perma SF Ritualist: None Dervish: None Paragon: Imbagon 5 professions currently have staggering powerful builds - what about the other 5? Well, fair enough, it'll soon be only 4 or even 3 Imba professions (if SF and ER get nerfed), but the imbalance in class is huge now. In terms of PvE power, the professions could be put in this order: Imbalanced Tier - using these builds/professions will almost guarantee victory. Assassin - SF build is like entering a cheat code. Paragon/Warrior - Imbagons and SYDS Warriors are, again, a cheat code. Elementalist: ER gives the most powerful protection monk in the game, and with Mind Blast they have formidable nuking power. Necromancer - 3 Necro heroes combined with one of the above and HM becomes a joke. Mediocre Tier Monk - Conventional teams require them, though has no single build to compare with the above in terms of damage reduction/prevention. Dervish - Probably the highest melee damage in the game with AoHM, though overshadowed by the "SY" warrior for utility. Ritualist - A reasonable choice for average nuking and healing power, though again, there's nothing on the same level as the Imba tier. Obsolete Tier Mesmer - Absolutely useless. Relies on PvE skills to be the center of their build to do anything useful to the team. The use of [Assassin's Promise] effectively and in some parts of PvE may redeem them slightly, but not enough to rise into Mediocre. Ranger - Can interrupt and daze. Excellent, what else? ... That's it. They scratch enemies slightly with comparably underpowered skills like [Barrage], and their best skill is [Distracting Shot] or [Broad Head Arrow]. My ranger is my main and I can hardly play him any more - he's just too weak. |
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33
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Site Contributor
Join Date: Jan 2006
Profession: R/
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Rangers/rits have splinter barrage.(barrage isn't underpowered IMO >.>)
Just because they aren't used in HA or to solo something doesn't mean they are really good.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Minnesota
Guild: Black Widows of Death
Profession: W/Mo
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MONK 55 backbone for many people... at least to farm
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2007
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It's almost like Warriors and Paragons do the most damage and have the most armor.
And Mesmers and Rangers don't do a lot of damage, but can interrupt and shutdown. /notsigned |
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Urgoz Warren
Guild: Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com
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Splinter barrage on a rit primary with a dedicated puller/tank yields insane AoE dmg. Ranger primaries can dish out some decent dmg output as well, just less than a rit. If anything rits are overpowered.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43
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Hall Hero
Join Date: Feb 2006
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"Why don't some professions have any"? Because the game isn't properly balanced.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2006
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You're probably not playing them right if you think Mesmers are useless and Monks and Dervs are mediocre.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2007
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If anything, this thread fails.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kokkola, Finland
Profession: Mo/
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Well, Monks do have HB and stuff, they are the backbone of teams I'd say.
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles
Guild: Order of the Divine WoodChuck
Profession: R/
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First i only play Ranger and what i know about other profession comes from my knowledge of my heroes.
Mesmer are deadly against foes. I got my Gwen set up as a caster killer. In HM in the Boreas Seabed HM i just lock her onto the Kraken and sit. For Destroyers, no SS necro can come close to the anti-phys-foe skills of Norgu. Ranger cant deal dmg? All those Conjures, weapon spells, conditions spamming... All classes have weakness and strenght, dont judge a class by a few builds they use. Most of all, GW is more about synergy then a few overpowered build. |
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Trapping on rangers can be also considered "almost" cheating :P
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: R/
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As for mesmers, the most powerful argument against them is that why disable foes when they're dead 3 seconds later? Maybe they're useful in specific areas against a specific foe, but they fail otherwise. By mediocre, I mean compared to the imba tier. There is no way any of the professions in the mediocre tier can compete with those above them, simply due to the imba builds themselves. Monks are still at the top of the mediocre tier because they are very powerful healers. Quote:
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55
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Emo Goth Italics
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Warrior: SY D-Slash / Earth Shaker
Ranger: Broad Head Arrow Monk: WoH Hybrid Necro: Anything. Infinite energy rocks. Mesmer: Off the top of my head, Me/A CoP Nuker Elementalist: Ether Renewal Ritualist: Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage say hi. Dervish: AoM / Wounding Strike. Assassin: Perma SF / MSDB Paragon: Imbagon. Quote:
Volley and Splinter Weapon on an off character is good. Sloth Hunter's Shot is awesome. As for Ritualists in the OP, not on imbalanced tier? They do the most AoE damage through support in the game, and Splinter aswell as Ancestors are actually overpowered. Last edited by Tyla; Jun 26, 2008 at 06:00 PM // 18:00.. |
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Jun 26, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jan 2007
Profession: R/Mo
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Save yourselves with Barrage seems to work pretty well for me. When a bunch of baddies are there, SY recharges very quickly. When there are not a bunch of baddies, you really don't need it.
I think saying that a ranger is too weak is not correct. I would tend to agree more if you had said that the Ranger is not as powerful as some of the other classes. Even then, not every class fares as well in every area. I think that Rangers can be particularly effective in HM where the elementalist baddies tend to cook most other classes pretty well. Dwarven Stability, the appropriate mantra(s) for the area and the extra armor against elemental damage make my ranger a decent tank in most situations, and the best one in others. I guess if you truly think (and I may just have misinterpreted your post) that all a ranger can do is interrupt and daze, you might consider experimenting with a few more builds. Imba? probably not, but they are still very good in many roles, in many situations. |
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: R/
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Primeval Warlords[wuw]
Profession: R/
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If you think Perma-SF is "godmode for PvE" you should really try it. It sucks. It's a farming and limited running build.
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: R/
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2007
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C'mon guys, we all know PvE needs to be easier.
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Dec 2005
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While you can argue specifics, some classes are more powerful than others because the devs are very bad at balancing.
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Jun 26, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Netherlands
Guild: [WitB]
Profession: W/
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Who cares some professions might not have optimal über PvE builds?
I *nearly* always PvE with H/H, and frankly I don't need to run the most optimal build in order to succeed. Yes, maybe it takes a bit longer, and maybe you do screw up occassionaly. But you set your heroes up with some good builds, and pick whatever is fun to play yourself. Perhaps my mesmer isn't to most contributing member of the team, but makes the game fun to play. |
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